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Post by Shadow Major on Jun 17, 2011 18:17:34 GMT -5
Greetings to all the members of the Mark Crilley Forum! I am a new member here, and as most people out there, I too have some minor problems which I would like to fix. So, I ask now, how can I improve on drawing clothing folds?
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Post by jelmobu on Jun 18, 2011 12:20:24 GMT -5
All I can say is practice really. Don't try to draw a whole person, just find a picture of some clothes (all different types) and try to imagine where the lines are suppose to go. Folds lines can be tricky because they're representations of things that aren't lines at all, but just give the impression of where the folds are. If you'd like, try to upload some pictures of what you've drawn and we can give you more specific advice.
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Post by Shadow Major on Jun 19, 2011 0:54:30 GMT -5
All I can say is practice really. Don't try to draw a whole person, just find a picture of some clothes (all different types) and try to imagine where the lines are suppose to go. Folds lines can be tricky because they're representations of things that aren't lines at all, but just give the impression of where the folds are. If you'd like, try to upload some pictures of what you've drawn and we can give you more specific advice. Yeah, sure, that won't be a problem  . I've got a few that I'd like to share. I can try upload some when I have spare time. |
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Post by uchihaguy on Jun 22, 2011 20:55:47 GMT -5
Since you are only focusing on how to do the folds right now, hang some blankets/handkerchiefs/sheets over some things like stools, basketballs, really anything. Just draw what you see.
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Post by Shadow Major on Jun 24, 2011 2:06:48 GMT -5
Since you are only focusing on how to do the folds right now, hang some blankets/handkerchiefs/sheets over some things like stools, basketballs, really anything. Just draw what you see. Thanks for the tip! Here's a drawing that I did a while ago; ignore the little figure at the left - that's him in cartoon form. Anyway, I am very sure that there is some errors in the folds, but I can't really tell. Attachments:
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Post by Shadow Major on Jun 24, 2011 17:06:01 GMT -5
Actually, this picture looks a little to bright. Tell me if I should upload it again (sorry!).
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Post by Caliber Mengsk on Jun 25, 2011 13:56:21 GMT -5
well, at least on this specific picture, your issue is the fold lines are to stiff. O-o By that, I mean there are hardly any near edges, and having that shape on the edge that isn't flat is what really sells a fold. For example, the top part of his right should (our left) you have a line that just goes straight, and I'm guessing that's suppose to be a fold. Because it just runs into the shoulder line without any kind of distortion, it looks like it's just a line, not a fold. I also agree with the suggestion of putting blankets/sheets over things to get shapes, but also just ball it up and throw it somewhere and try to draw it. Doesn't sound very impressive, but that will have a lot of complex folds, and if you get that looking like a balled up sheet that was thrown in the corner, then you have gotten pretty good at folds. You may also want to look into doing a few still life pieces and take a LOOOOONG time on them. For example, in college, I did this: caliber-mengsk.deviantart.com/gallery/?catpath=/&offset=24#/d12gnq9That was drawn in probably 30+ hours over the span of weeks, but it turned out great. When learning, you should expect to put a lot of time into it. As you do it over and over, you just "Know" how to draw folds, you don't have to think about it. |
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Post by Crombie on Jun 25, 2011 16:44:29 GMT -5
You're not placing the wrinkles correctly. Wrinkles appear around areas of tension, and to show how the clothes wrap and fall around the anatomy of the person. In your image they appear to be just random lines that are just there, and serve no purpose. Remember, don't draw unnecessary lines, make sure they serve a purpose.
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Post by Shadow Major on Jun 26, 2011 2:12:09 GMT -5
Thank you very much for the feedback, guys! I now have a clear idea of what my mistakes are, and because of your straight-forward explanations and tips, am ready to start over again. Oh, and Caliber, your artwork is very detailed and amazing; I enjoyed viewing your gallery and noting some specific details of your work! Once again, thank you!
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Post by Learner on Jun 26, 2011 7:39:34 GMT -5
Yeah, what yajiko said.
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Post by asterisk on Jun 26, 2011 17:35:48 GMT -5
the first thing i noticed was that the bottom of the jacket is pretty much level or flat. clothes have weight so you need to let it sag a little.
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Post by Caliber Mengsk on Jun 27, 2011 13:52:11 GMT -5
Glad it was enlightening. Believe it or not, I don't even consider myself to be a good artist at this point. I've improved and am by no means bad, but I can definitely do better over time. My problem is I don't draw often enough, and with a full time job, I don't really have the time to do it. Anyway, if you look at my gallery as a whole, you should see sections of focus, such as head study, upper body, cloth and fold. Just focus on the smaller things one at a time until you start to get the whole picture. You aren't going to become great, or even good (I have very high standards) for the first while. Just take your time is pretty much the best suggestion. That's it XD. OH, besides, be hard on yourself. It's ok to go "this part looks good" as long as you are comfortable saying,  THAT looks horrible. on the same picture. If you can't spot what's wrong, (and something is always wrong, no matter who you are) then set it down for a bit (maybe a day or two) and look back at it. |
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Post by Shadow Major on Jul 1, 2011 16:46:58 GMT -5
Believe it or not, I don't even consider myself to be a good artist at this point. WHAT??! Really?! Thanks, I'll follow what you said  |
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Post by Caliber Mengsk on Jul 2, 2011 15:23:43 GMT -5
Well, to be honest and blunt, I am not a good artist at all. Right now I'm getting decent at drawing girls in the anime style, but it takes hours and hours and hours to do anything semi-realistic, unless in photoshop. Maybe I just have to high of standards for myself. XD (Most of my drawing, including the most recent ones, are done in about 40 minutes... O-o so maybe speed is starting to make up for it XD I don't know)
My overall outlook is never consider yourself the best, but always try to be the best. The reason I say this, and live by it, is because then you never stop trying to get better, and sure, you may be good at something, but there's always a way to be better. If I get "good" at drawing anime, then I can go to realism (which is NEVER perfected), and even into abstract if I wanted. That's why I start doing so many things. XD
I draw, paint, photoshop etc, sure, but I also program, advanced gaming, game development, pixel art, computer building/repair, electronics, circuitry design (even got my first design working) and I'm looking into welding now. I also have many invention ideas I'd like to test out. Even if you are amazing at one thing, try to be amazing at as many things you can.
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Post by Learner on Jul 2, 2011 20:13:02 GMT -5
Hey! Caliber Mengsk! You're very creative, I think you're followin the footsteps of Da Vinci! Hahaha!
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Post by Crombie on Jul 2, 2011 20:37:01 GMT -5
I don't consider myself that great of an artist either. I think its the fact that I don't consider myself that great is what drives me to get better. Does that make sense?
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Post by Learner on Jul 2, 2011 21:44:46 GMT -5
Me too yajiko, it's working slowly but surely.
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Post by Shadow Major on Jul 7, 2011 2:00:48 GMT -5
I don't consider myself that great of an artist either. I think its the fact that I don't consider myself that great is what drives me to get better. Does that make sense? It makes a lot of sense. |
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Post by Shadow Major on Jul 18, 2011 1:16:16 GMT -5
Okay, well, this is another drawing, but it doesn't really have much detail because I was only working on the clothing folds. Feedback, please! Attachments:
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Post by Caliber Mengsk on Jul 18, 2011 13:56:33 GMT -5
Much better, but I think you have the issue of to many fold lines. For example, the lines on the top of his shoulder would be pretty much invisible to the naked eye, unless the lighting source was extremely low, unless they were actual folds. Most clothing lings are to imply shadow more then the actual lines of a crease. At least when it comes to t-shirts. Most t-shirts don't actually wrinkle unless at edges and actual fold point (the arm pits), but even still it's not all that noticeable.
Pretty much all of the lines on the shoulder and chest don't really need to be there. See how your other shoulder that has pretty much no lines still looks right? The one with the folds looks over complicated. The thing about Anime/Manga style drawing is simplicity in the lines. It's suppose to have just enough to show you what it is. Sure, there are details after the core lines, such as patterns, text, etc, but notice that there are pretty much never freckles or pores of the skin in any anime/manga. It's suppose to be simplistic. It's finding the line between detailed enough and simplistic that's hard to do.
As for the rest of the lines (below the chest) they are really really good. Maybe a few to many folds where the hand is going in the pocket, but not bad enough I would worry about it. The folds on the pants are great. Overall, it's leaps and bounds better then the first picture you showed us.
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I should also note I'm being picky.
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Post by Shadow Major on Jul 18, 2011 18:11:39 GMT -5
Thanks a bunch once again, Caliber! Man, it's great to learn new things! |
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Post by Shadow Major on Feb 21, 2012 3:11:33 GMT -5
How about this? (The clothing folds, I mean, but an overall comment of the picture would be okay, too ) Attachments:
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. I've got a few that I'd like to share. I can try upload some when I have spare time.
THAT looks horrible. on the same picture. If you can't spot what's wrong, (and something is always wrong, no matter who you are) then set it down for a bit (maybe a day or two) and look back at it.
