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Post by djman417 on Apr 15, 2012 5:37:53 GMT -5
;D Hey all you guys out there this is my sketch of Konan from Naruto I'm only 13 years old so I'm not expecting the great remarks that all you guys out there are getting but any critique or suggestions would be much appreciated. Thank you very much for taking a look Attachments:
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Post by leucome on Apr 17, 2012 9:50:59 GMT -5
Nice
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Post by cn3wton on May 9, 2012 14:22:13 GMT -5
I am guessing you used a reference photo for this? It appears you spent quite a bit of time on the face, it is pretty good. But seems a little flat to me. One possibility could be the placement of the eyes. The problems with the face are minor and just require a little find tuning and adjustment, nothing major.
I guess that you used a photo based on the clothing. They have pretty good folds, and appear 3d with the inclusion of the inside of the sleaves and collar, but when you get to the folds on the actual clothes they all see to pop out. The shading on the clothes looks unnatural. This is something that comes from practice. Try extending the darker lines into the folds to make it have more depth. If you really look at some kind of reference photo for folds (does not necessarily have to be the reference photo for the image) don't just try to recreate the folds, but understand why they are what they are.
The hands are not bad, but they may not be placed correctly. Make sure you draw out the guidelines for the arms to make sure they are placed in correct porportion.
You asked for criticism, and there it is. I was WAY harsher than I usually am, just because I notice that no-one has said much. This is not the most active forum, but the few people that are here are very friendly and can offer great advice. Just be patient. I suggest creating a deviantArt account as well. One of the reasons you probably don't get much criticism is that you stated your age as 13, now I don't know if this is true or not, but if it is this picture is quite impressive (even if drawn from reference) for some-one of that age. And no one wants to discourage you.
keep at it.
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Post by Shadow Major on May 9, 2012 23:23:15 GMT -5
cn3wton basically summed it all up there. The only critique I could advise is the character's left eye (our right). It looks just a tad too large, thus causing the iris to look bigger than the one opposite it. I don't know if this is meant to be or not, but just pointing out. Also, the flower on his/her head (I've never seen Naruto ^^) appears quite flat and may need more lines and shading to give it that three-dimensional look. As cn3wton stated above, this is awesome work from a thirteen year old, and don't give up!
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Post by djman417 on May 12, 2012 11:48:46 GMT -5
thanks for the help i'll try to fix this all up and i will repost the image so you can see the edited one. and yes it is true i am really 13. also, i've done a time lapse on youtube recently so take a look here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppm7eWIR6U0
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Post by cn3wton on May 12, 2012 19:28:01 GMT -5
I watched the video. I don't recognize the character. I don't know if your using reference or not, but I don't think you should be building them like you are. You just go ahead and draw the lines with no guidelines. Sure its not necessarily wrong, but I feel you would be much better of drawing the basic guidelines first. This can help you with the placement of the features of the face, and you will know what the finish product should look like from the start. Of course the way you are doing it isn't wrong per-se, but I do not think it is the best way for you to improve.
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Post by cn3wton on May 13, 2012 15:04:45 GMT -5
I would suggest not watching this. Considering you are 13 years old and there is way too much profanity, as well as what he prefers to draw.
While I don't judge people for what they draw, this is not something I would suggest watching.
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Post by Crombie on May 13, 2012 16:09:10 GMT -5
I would suggest not watching this. Considering you are 13 years old and there is way too much profanity, as well as what he prefers to draw. While I don't judge people for what they draw, this is not something I would suggest watching. Is something wrong with 13 year-olds listening to profanity or looking at porn? If you don't feel it's right I can suggest Reiq's stuff. He's much better at not cussing (has a much better understanding of anatomy too) but he doesn't like Mark Crilley (as in he posted that he thinks all his tutorials are misleading and not actually teaching anything), so yeah. . . .
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Post by dvandom on May 13, 2012 16:15:03 GMT -5
In case anyone's wondering, I'm okay with linking to tutorials that may be a bit risque, so long as you clearly warn of this point *and* they're on sites that have the option of blocking adult content (so that any minors here can't get to them trivially if their parents want to block adult stuff).
This is also a good case study in "just because the user is into My Little Pony does not mean their material is all-ages."
---Dave, doesn't think tutorials in art generally do much for teaching, but they can be helpful for those who are teaching themselves and are currently at the right level to take advantage of any specific tips in the tutorial.
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Post by cn3wton on May 13, 2012 19:00:22 GMT -5
First off I re-read the post that you quoted, and I would like to apologize. I did not word it correctly,partly because I did it quickly. I should have said that he should be aware that there is also profanity in the tutorial (you had already informed him of what the person preferred to draw). I did not mean to offend, there are many types and styles of art. I did not want it to sound like I was saying anything bad about the persons art and tutorial, I just meant to let him know.
Anyways,
In most states you have to be 18 to look at pornographic material. So technically according to that it is wrong (wether you or I agree or not). And I prefer not to expose minors to useless profanity like that without warning.
So if I were to reword my earlier post it would be along these lines:
I watched the video and would just like you to be aware that the creator of the tutorial does use profanity quite often. So please be aware of that. As well there some stuff in the beginning about digital media (I believe step 1) so unless you are interested in that you can fast forward until he does step 2.
So like I said, I watched the video and there is alot of interesting stuff. I especially found how he built the simple shapes quite interesting. I even bookmarked it for future reference. I will keep my opinions on the creators use of profanity to myself.
Anyways, I did not mean to offend, but I just wanted him to be aware of what he was getting into.
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Post by djman417 on May 15, 2012 12:42:08 GMT -5
well after reading some of the older comments on this post about my speed-art video, I would just like to mention that when i draw, drawing guidelines seems to confuse me somewhat and i know that may sound strange but yeah, that's the case and i just try to draw as lightly as possible to start with so if i make a mistake or do something i don't think fits, i can just erase it without leaving a large smudge on the paper. i got into this habit because when i was a bit younger i would use a reference image (or just copy it completely) and i would just draw it straight onto the paper as it was on the image without any form of guidelines first. I did this because i didn't know anything about using guidelines or rather, i didn't know exactly what they were. But something interesting seemed to come from all this and seeing that i was able to draw unlike others around the same age as me i earned the title: "copy ninja" among my friends, I thought this was quite funny as it seemed to be a direct reference to how i copy other drawings or images of any sort and to Kakashi from the anime/manga series: Naruto (as kakashi was called the copy ninja for being able to replicate any jutsu at the same speed as his opponent).
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Post by cn3wton on May 16, 2012 22:00:50 GMT -5
Like I said there is technically nothing wrong with not using guidelines and basic shapes to build up the "skeleton" of a character. When I was younger I too re drew images I enjoyed. And they always turned out way better than my original stuff. Why? Well its because I wasn't learning how and why I was drawing certain things, I was just copying what I saw. Of course there is nothing wrong with that either. Something that may help you is finding reference photos for poses.
But in my opinion by learning how to create guidelines you learn how to create characters without this. Guidelines are as unique as your style. Some people create really detailed ones, some do very little. Its finding what helps you the most that works.
If you insist on not using guidelines I would start saving images for reference. This will include interesting poses and similar things you like. You can then collect these together and mix and match different elements from them to create what you want. But the most important thing you can do when drawing is ask yourself why. Why am I drawing this line like this, why doesn't it go this way? By learning why those shapes are what they are, you can learn how to alter and recreate them when you need to.
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